Re: ASCII Art Fart for Thu, 2004 Nov 25

ABCGi wrote:
> Bateau wrote:
> 
>> ABCGi <abc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Simon Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bateau <Gam...@work.stomping.aza> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You, the UN, and all the other PC pusstards are sexist by omission:
>>>>> violence against men is just as bad as violence against women.
>>>
>>> Yeah not the point dude, if you knew the stats you'd know we are 
>>> addressing, by far, the most pressing problem first. A simple case of 
>>> priority in problem solving, something every programmer knows. There 
>>> is nothing PC about it.
>>
>> Priority in problem solving? Violence is ONE problem not two.
>> You are the one who needs to examine the stats. If you want to split it
>> into sexes then you are focussing on the lesser problem. Go to any E.R.
>> or police station and ask them who is more often seriously injured or
>> killed by violent acts. The answer is overwhelmingly "men." To be as
>> wrong as you are about this you must be ignorant, stupid, or sexist.
> 
> The above is anecdotal not statistical, do you have any studies or 
> statistics? And again, the point was not that violence against men is 
> better/worse than violence against women.

Another issue for priority is that sexual assault in the courts has the 
lowest conviction rate by far of any crime, clearly this makes it first 
on the list of things to correct.

Also looking statistically at X and Y's - if;

X -> X = 50v
X -> Y = 49.8v
Y -> X = 0.2v

Then I'd say the priority is to protect Y.

>>>> Violence against _anyone_ is fundamentally a bad thing... wonder why we
>>>> get more excited when it's based on sex, race or religion?
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>>>
>>> One idea raised by the UN day for stopping violence against women is 
>>> that the majority of men, who don't think it is ok, speak up more so 
>>> that that minority doesn't get the mistaken idea that it is perhaps 
>>> socially acceptable.
>>>
>>> I have now officially done my part of that.
>>
>> You have attempted to draw attention away from the more pressing
>> problem. You have also perpetuated the myth that there is no problem of
>> violence against men by pretending that the comparably tiny amount of
>> violence against women is the most violence anyone is suffering.

I asked a friend at university to look up figures on this, the study is 
a bit dated and doesn't include war I don't think but victims of 
violence is actually about half - half, certainly nothing like 
"comparably tiny" for women, obviously this is a bit of a misconception 
or myth (not the other way around).

Of course if you talking just the sexual assault category then the 
victims are almost all women and the perpetrator is a man (99.9% of the 
time).

> I have never insinuated anything of the sort IIRC. For instance, war, 
> has a great number of men suffering violence.
>>
>>>        ^   ^
>>>        /---\
>>>       / * * \
>>>       \  ^  /
>>>         v=v
>>>        {+++}
>>>         ( )          ObA
> 
> 
> Ok lets say you are correct, shall we now move on and solve violence 
> against women *and* violence against men (less war would help)? To 
> labour on the above point is specious.


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