Re: ascii with webtv?//..

mus...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Shaun Mead wrote:

Murserna, you should include some of the text you're replying to, to
help the rest of us understand what you're commenting on. Many people
will see your post out of context and will be confused by what appears
to be a reply to nothing.

> > Now what on earth is wrong with webtv?? I think it's a great idea for people who
> > can't afford or don't want to spend money on a whole computer just to surf the
> > internet.
<snip>
>
> I totally know what you meant shaun.. Some people are really snooty
> about who gets into thier exclusive computer club. 

No, more like, some people get really irritated when they repeatedly
have to deal with people who act stupid. If you, for example, join a
music band, but you never bother to practice the songs at home and
expect to do all the practicing in front of the other members of the
band, they will eventually get pissed off with you for wasting their
time. This is a similar situation. When you are new to a newsgroup you
are expected to read up on how to do things (read the FAQ, if there is
one). If, instead you keep doing things wrong (suggesting you have not
read, or at least not made any attempt to understand, the FAQ), sending
test messages to the group, asking the same newbie questions we've all
already heard a million times, etc, etc, people will react the same way
as when somebody won't do their music practice at home before trying to
play with the band.

It's not so much "exclusive club" as "reading up on the basics". If you
are too lazy to do that, you should not play.

> And the basis for
> all of this hate is fear. (this is extreme but:) Racist are afraid of
> what they don't know or what they don't understand. The be anti-WebTV
> means that they dont understand that not everyone wants a computer or
> wants to be programmers etc...

No, I think most of us here can very well understand how somebody could
want to give, for example, a trip to China, or a new car, higher
priority than buying a computer. I think most people can agree that a
cheap tool to get access to the net from home can be a very useful
thing. The problem is that the company who owns WebTV (and the same with
AOL before them) seem to have set up their system in such a way that new
people are led to believe that it's OK to just jump in and shout, not
bothering to even try to listen to the music that's being played. The
result is that there's a high correlation between the group "People who
use WebTV" and the group "People who act stupid in newsgroups". This in
turn leads people to say things like "WebTV users are stupid", because,
in their experience, that is true. When every (and I do mean *every*)
WebTV user you have ever come across has acted stupid, there's a chance
that you will eventually come to that conclusion.

> The world is to huge for just one medium
> (I personally maintain a life outside of the computer/internet world.).
> We should make room for them all.

Are you telling the rest of us to "get a life"?

> ALL THAT PERSON WANTED WAS SOME INFORMATION!!!,

I agree with you here. I don't see anything insulting or stupid in the
original post to this thread. The original poster seems to say "Hi! I'm
new. I read the FAQ but I still have trouble. Help?!" Being new is not
wrong. Being aware of it, and wanting to do something about it, is a
sign of intelligence. Sometimes just "reading up" is not enough. I think
this may be such a case.

> and as I recall that was
> what the internet was developed for.  HInt: To turn to someone and say
> "get you stupid webtv face outta here is ridiculous and ignorant!!

I think you should _use_ the Internet to look up what a "troll" is and
how to handle trolls. There are plenty of trolls in this thread (the
people from the newsgroups this thread has been crossposted to. Check
out these groups and you'll see what I mean...).   :-)


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