Re: rec-arts.scarecrow ?

Troy Fore (tfo...@st6000.sct.edu) wrote:
: On Thu, 19 May 1994 02:17:10 UTC, an9...@anon.penet.fi wrote:
: > i have less concern about the censorship problem presented by moderation
: > than i do the problem of self-promotion regarding any arts news group.
: > based on several months lurking in this group, it seems to me that
: > the scarecrow is heavily into self-promotion.  my god the man offers
: > more of his select collections of ascii art than you find in the contents 
: > of some ftp sites.  add to this both the size and number of his sigs and i 
: > think it would be fair to say his ego is far from microscopic. 


> You are obviously confusing creativity and eager participation with 
> egomania.  He offers more collections of his art *BECAUSE* he has 
> drawn more art.  He offers more creative suggestions and a FAQ 
> *BECAUSE* he is so experienced in art.  It is this experience, 
> creativity, friendliness, willingness to help, and eagerness to 
> participate that QUALIFIES him as a good moderator.  


Absolute Piffle !


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       _( _)_                     /      We know Bob is great,        \
      ( _) ( )            _____  |     but do you have to say it      |
     (_)    (_)          @@@@@@@ |    every day on alt.arts-ascii     |
   __/     . |          @@@  .|_  \ __________________________________/
 /    \  --\_) _________@@(    _) |/                  | |         |
|   /\  \__/)-/_______(@@@@__-/                       | |        |'
|--|**|\__ --|        (___)   \___ /\  ##             !_!-v----v-"
|*****|__ |____________| \    |  /    \##    __--"""i i""""""""""i
 \*(#####)  ||      ||    \___|____/\__##   !_______! !__________!


> Those people complaining about the effect r.a-a would have 
> on this group forget that THEY (and we) are the participators of 
> this group, and if it declines it is THEIR (and our) fault.

"THEY" will only be at fault if "THEY" allow a MODERATED group to be 
established without challenge. Apathy is responsible for the 
development of many undesirable events.  

Knockers of alt.ascii-art are simply damaging it - but they do have 
every right to do so - it is free and open - and they won't be 
allowed to do much knocking in a moderated group. If they think 
there will be no need to do so there they are entitled to dream on.  

A MODERATED mainstream ascii-art group _will_ affect this group to 
its detriment. Do not let the proponents mislead you into believing 
otherwise. 

If some users are dissatisfied with this existing newsgroup there is 
no guarantee that they will not become dissatisfied also with their 
wonderful new moderated group. Then where do you think they might go 
to express their discontent ?  

I regret to say that the effect on ALT.ascii-art will be all 
negative. 

From the postings of proponents I am persuaded, that although they 
have participated here, they care little about what happens to this 
newsgroup in the future.  

Their talent and reputation as ascii-artists is irrelevant to this 
issue and there certainly has been plenty of exhortation, "name-
dropping" and "back-slapping" in the moderationists' campaign.  

Is it therefore surprising that "Ms Anonymous of Finland" has formed 
an impression that promotion and election of a net.personality is 
involved ?  She may just be right - I admit to being somewhat 
perturbed about the emphasis repeatedly given to the personal 
qualities of the moderator(s) and the use of the GIF picture of 
"Bob" in the vote promotion pictures.  

How can you or anyone know how a person will perform after election ?  

Politicians promise everything before elections and politicians can 
be removed. Not so with a newsgroup moderator. 

Once elected, you cannot remove a Newsgroup Moderator unless there 
is provision in the Newsgroup Charter and no such provision has been 
written into the rec.arts.ascii (MODERATED) charter - although it 
could have been had those who drafted it so wished.  

Bye,

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