Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art?

Veronica Karlsson <aci...@earthling.net> wrote in message news:386...@earthling.net...
> I hope they still feel welcome when they receive their fifth "You have
> used a non-standard character. Please don't do that again." comment
> after following the "advice" in his tutorial to use whatever characters
> they happen to have on their keyboard... That's the method I used when I
> created these pictures:
>
>     ___ __      __
>    |888|B�||||||.:|
>    |888|U�||||||::|
>    |888|G�||||||::|
>    |888|A�||||||::|
>    |888|R�||||||::|
>    |888|I�||||||:'|
>
>
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>              @  ^  @
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>         |  |   """   |  |
>         |  |    "    |  |
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>
> Did I get flamed for them? Yes! Were the flames justified? Yes. Did I
> learn not to do that? Yes. Do I know what it feels like to get such
> "corrections" in public? Yes.
>
> JRO is creating the opportunity for himself to correct people that way.
> He does that sort of thing? Yes. This is from yesterday:


I'm sorry you had such negative experiences, in your early posts to AAA,
Veronica. I feel very sad that you were met with cruel flames, for your
early mistakes. I wish I had been there, or some of the other nice people
on this newsgroup, when you had your first ugly run-ins with some misguided,
intolerant people, who thought "flaming" you was the way to guide you into
your entrance to this newsgroup.... Well, those people are gone, now. And
I'm sure we're all glad they are. Be comforted. This is the New Millennium.
We're going to try encourage more people to make text art; not spoil the
fun. People who are new (to ascii) should be able to expect cheerful and
helpful replies, whenever someone has time to answer them. People who are
mean to new folks, for no reason, should expect flames, themselves.

If would make you feel any better, tell me who was mean to you when you
started making ascii, and I will send them a nasty email.


> JRO wrote:
> :mine wrote:
> :>
> :>   %��        ��%
> :>   %*%\      /%*%
> :>    %*%\    /%*%
> :>     %*%\  /%*%
> :>      %*%\/%*%
> :>      �%%%%%%�
> :>     �        �
> :>    '   �   �  '
> :>    '(   =�=  )'
> :>     `.  �-� .�
> :>       `�..��
> :>      Mine 1999
> :
> :It's posting just fine, "Mine". However, you got
> :a handful of extended characters in there. When
> :posting here, try to edit those things out, first.
> :Here's some suggested replacements:
> :
> :   %%\        /%%
> :   %*%\      /%*%
> :    %*%\    /%*%
> :     %*%\  /%*%
> :      %*%\/%*%
> :      :%%%%%%;
> :     '        `
> :    '   @   @  '
> :    '(   =o=  )'
> :     `.  "-" .'
> :       `-...-
> :      Mine 1999
>
>
> and this is from today:
>
> JRO wrote:
> :MJP wrote:
> :> Wesley Dooley wrote:
> :> >
> :> >   �{>�<}�
> :> >   �������
> :> >   ���"�
> :> >  ��( � )��
> :> >  ���) (���
> :> >  ��(^�^)��
> :> >  ���)'(���
> :> >  ��(   )��
> :>
> :>         �{>�<}�
> :>         �������
> :>         ���"�
> :>        ��( � )��
> :>    _\__���) (���___/_
> :>    =)____(^�^)____( =
> :>        ���)'(���
> :>        ��(   )��
> :>          / /\ \
> :>         ( /  \ )
> :>       _/ /    \ \_
> :>      ( \/      \/ )
> :>       \_)      (_/
> :>
> :
> :Looks like you doan need my he'p, atall. MJP seems to have
> :fixed that up fer you, jus' swell.
> :
> :'Cept for one point - you posted extended (alt+number) characters.
> :No big deal, but we doan do that, here. Next time, please try to
> :leave them thangs out, or email fer he'p. Me, er sumbody, will be
> :happy to help out.
>
> I'm not saying that he planned anything. I'm just noting that he doesn't
> mind correcting others, but when the criticism is aimed at him then the
> person who criticises is evil and out to humiliate him personally!!!

Sure! I totally conspired with both these folks, just to give you an
example of a decent, reasonably polite repost to a posting of extended
characters. If you check Dejanoose, you will see where I posted many
such. If you will check Dejanoose, you will see where you flamed people.


> [Please note that the Bad Character thing is the _only_ point in his
> tutorial that I am criticising. I'm getting long rants in return from
> him because he doesn't like getting criticised, especially by me, for
> some reason only he knows. This is not the first time this has happened,
> though it's been kept in email before.]


You got one email, of a typical length that I compose. I'm sorry it was
so much for you to read. Only for public will I make the point that I
have reacted in such a seemingly harsh manner, because of the simple fact
that I know you well enough to know that your primary purpose in reposting
"criticism" to me, IS because you wish to humiliate me, personally, and on
this newsgroup. Just as you have sought to do others, in the past.

Here are a couple of favorite quotes of yours, from past conversations we
have had:

    "Well, I feel like reading AAA, and seeing if there is anyone I
     can flame today."

    "I love to look for some newbie to flame, when I feel bitchy."

Sound familiar? It should - you said it.

You know, I don't post "critiques" of your threads. Recently, I thought you
were trying to act friendly, again.

Well, I will go back to acting friendly. If you post some art, I will give
you a nice repost - maybe even apply a little suction. Would that make you
feel wanted?

FYI - the first versions of that "tutorial" I had written, did contain
ascii charts, definitions - paragraphs full of boring stuff, that would
probably have had you over excited. After talking it over with some other
artists, and some people merely interested in text art, I cut that stuff
down to the absolute bone. People wanting to make ascii, aren't looking
for a glut of rules and charts. All they want is some simple step-through,
to show them how to get started. Providing them with more in-depth information
can come later... You might notice I only have two of those things, more
or less complete. I do plan on making more. To make you happy, I will probably
have to write a decent FAQ (I don't know if it's the acronym you like so
much, or just the fact that most of them are too cryptic for the new [at ascii],
enthusiast to wade through) for this newsgroup. I have discussed this with
some of the other artists here, for some time. I think it's time that the
actual, regular-posting ascii people had a FACK that fits the newsgroup.
It should take fifteen or twenty mintues to write, and I hope it makes
you happy...

Primarily, though, my purpose in posting those tutorials here, was to put
out more material on the newsgroup, for the holidays. I do have these things
on my page, but the main reason I have them written up into "tutorials", is
I have written so many emails, individually to people, and they basically
contained all the same information, that I started organizing them as you
see. When I had written email after email to interested parties, and noticed
that my fingers were getting worn typing the same kinds of things, over and
over, I did them like this. Also, people asked me for tutorials like these.
So, I've made some.

Sorry you don't like my character-set explanation. I'm sure there is room
for improvement in both that I have ready, and will probably be in the ones
I have planned. There's room for improvement, in Dante's Inferno, too. Why
don't you go try to embarrass him? Or you might have tried posting:

       This is pretty good, Johnny. I really think you should include
       a chart, showing the ASCII character set. Like this:

                             ascii chart

Personally, I think those charts are fine. But I took them out, because
they weren't really necessary. My "advice" wasn't bad - it was better.
For the majority of new people (to ascii), who just want an idea of how
they can start making text art, it's quick, easy, and uncomplicated. Then
I move right along to some simple demonstrations, which makes up the bulk
of the things, and is what they really want to read.

Oh well... I think you've had enough. I'm sorry I jumped on you, but you
and I both know you were just trying to make trouble. I've watched you do
the same to Joan - among others - in the past. I've even seen her post semi-
appologies and explanations back at you, for your "damnations" of her HTML
and some advice she's given to people on occasion.

Well, I ain't gonna kiss you an' cringe, fer shit like that. You is a se'f-
admitted, flaming troll. Go back to your chatroom, if you can't behave here.
If you can behave here, you will see me do a complete 180. It is probably
better that I ignore any future posts of yours, but I can be more magnanimous
than that. Post pictures, and reserve your flames and attempts to degrade
people to those who really deserve it - cross-posters, completely off-topic
strangers, and hecklers - and I will both pay attention to you, and be nice
to you.

And for "public" comsumption - I appologize for trashing out the newsgroup,
by replying to Veronica. I am sure many of you may not realize why I did
it. The reason is that I have had dealings with her in the past, and her
criticism of my tutorial contained intent that you may not know about. A
flame-war, like this, runs off readers and posters, alike. She enjoys starting
the things, but the rest of us generally do not like them. I felt it was time
she was showed her toes were over the line, with me, but I am truly sorry to
have precipitated it.

     Be good,
Jonathon R. Oglesbee
oglesbee@
       mail.fullnet.net

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