Re: Patches...

>to put *all* the pictures from the book on a web page and show us here
>in aaa, but she hasn't even commented on that (and considering that she
>got the pictures from Patches...). Maybe if more people were to make the
>same request...?

Maybe you should ask your local library to pick up a copy of the book,
or head on down to the bookstore and check out the book itself...
Brendas website is a simple site that promotes the book itself.  One
really should see the book and have a look at it, because Brenda has
done an exceptional job of covering & supporting the ASCII art
community.  Instead, your on some binge about a "playing card" whose
design you probably got off a deck of playing cards and she didn't get
your permission to put it on the site, well who says she needs
permission.   Did you copyright a design that is probably already
copyrighted?  Or are you just trying to blow smoke up someones ass
again?  Did you ask the original playing card artist if you could
redesign his/her card?

You are making some kind of assumption that she got the pictures from
me, and I never once sent Brenda Danet any pictures of any kind.  She
could easily have gotten them and it is my understanding that between
#mIRC_Rainbow & #mIRC_Colors (now defunct) she captured images from
what was played in the channel. (which is also documented and shown in
the book)  (ASCII artists themselves are certainly not in the channel
100% of the time, saying hey.. thats my art.. you can't use or color
that)  and what you put on a website for someone to look at, copy and
use, is to my knowledge still game for the taking.... like it or not,
if you don't want it stolen or used, don't put it on a website for
people to do that to.  Most people who in IRC color the ASCII art,
leave the initials intact, but all of a sudden they need permission to
do so?  Since when?  If you put it on your site, its there for people
to do what they wish with, hopefully they are respectable enough to
give credit, and keep the initials intact.

Brenda also has a cd image of my website, which I never sent or gave
her, she must have downloaded it, or went thru and saved each page.
Do I care?  No, I do not. Oh wait, maybe I should sue her for
downloading my site... oh no, invasion of the html.... hahaa... NOT!!!

Neither here nor there, the only part I personally had in helping
Brenda with her book was with trying to distinguish who colored what
for mIRC art, and in no way, shape or form did I ever give her
permission to use ASCII colored art work.  I did give permission for
artists who are no longer in #mIRC_Rainbow or in IRC to have there art
published, since the only real thing is the fact that it promotes the
communities.  People such as TwoTall, Kris, & Kymmy, are featured
heavily in her book, and on her website.  (These people used original
art, never once to my knowledge using ASCII art)

It is my impression from Brendas emails in the last day or so, that we
have a misunderstanding at some point, I had made an assumption that
she had help finding out who the ASCII artists were.  Alot of the art
in her book is older mIRC & ASCII art, and most of the artists used
are actually original artists, using characters that are not
traditional to the use of ASCII art.  You see this thru her website as
well.

The way I see all this hoopla, is that while you have a point on
permissions and original art permission should be given, your
forgetting that this book would increase the recognition that ASCII
art deserves and the artists who today still create and continue to
support it's use.

The book does that very well, and it will increase the support and
recognition the ASCII art community so richly deserves.  The book is
not going to make Brenda a rich woman, the book's main purpose is to
educate and teach about the various uses on the internet and the ways
it can be used.  The fact that she gave so much notice to ASCII and
IRC colored art, shows that she appreciates and is intrigued by the
art itself. I would for one look at the fact that she has tried to
give credit and is willing to fix any mistakes that happen adding in
details and corrections in the book as well.

Tell me, Veronica, just where did you get the idea of the playing
card?  Certainly you didn't make it up on your own, maybe you saw it
on a deck of playing cards and drew it in ASCII art.... So, does that
make it yours, or the person who originally drew the design that is
featured on the card.  Before you make accusations which I personally
know you are all to famous for, you should be sure you are innocent
yourself.  Why is it, you always see the bad versus the good side of
things.  People try to show something they love, try to support a
community, and you go after them like a raging bull.

She has removed the picture and the html page it sat on, replacing it
for another image.  Trying the link creates a 404 error. Yes,
yesterday, when I tried it, it was still there, I am not sure Brenda
has the html knowledge to realize she needed to totally delete it off
her site for it "not to be there".  However, that image is now gone,
and the page does create a 404, and I doubt very seriously she heard
from her publisher to get her to do it, since your remarks here and
her watching has made her aware that she'd made a mistake in the first
place trying to remove it.

>Maybe if more people were to make the
>same request...?

and for your information, most of the art featured in the book, is by
Joan Stark, I think yours is probably one of the only ones that isn't
on Joans website.  Brenda featured Joan Stark and Allen Mullen in her
book, probably the two people willing to allow her permission to use
there work to help in the writing of the book.

Brendas next book was to featuer ASCII artists, the community, and to
some degree the art in IRC, I bet she will think twice before she does
that book... and while we'd love for her to support the art created in
IRC... something that can't be created anywhere else, that goes with
ASCII art as well... funny thing is.. a book of ASCII art would only
enhance the community and give it a worldwide recognition like nothing
else could do, and your outrage at one simple little playing card
picture that was obviously taken off someone elses design in the first
place, makes it very dificult if she will not have the support of the
ASCII community to promote the recognition it deserves to have in the
internet community.

Please don't sit here and tell me that you didn't get the idea of your
depiction of a a playing card design off the top of your head..... I
know better than that.

patches
#mIRC_Rainbow - Undernet
http://www.mirc-rainbow.com

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