Re: [PIC] Kite

Hi,

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:46:04 -0400, Dewight Fry wrote:

>>> It was actually more like sarcasm than anything. I detest it when
>>> people turn a blind eye to history.
>>So, do I? And where do you see that blind eye in my post?
> The insinuation that America is somehow becoming an imperialist State,
> you know, like Germany was in the first half of the 20th century.

Well, I know quite well about the terrible crimes my ancestors have
committed, you are taught to remember them from childhood on over here. 
But what do you think has current Germany to do with something that has 
happened 60 Years ago? We are no more a nazi state! But as far as I can 
tell, the rest of the world just does not recognize it - as soon as someone 
needs moeny or something else, he just has to mention "World W..." to the 
Bundeskanzler and *zoom*, there's the checkbook.

>> Have I written _anything_ about Jews?
> Not as far as I know.

So, why do you consider me blind to history then? I just do not want to
accept that my generation, one that is born two after the one of these
murderers, does still have to pay for the crimes that happened. Or do you
personally want to be charged for slavery _now_? This might be a little
more way back in history, but why should this even matter?

>>I just stated that I consider the way America acts as world police quite 
>>disgusting.
> If not for Germany, it would not be necessary for America to be the
> world's policeman. Believe me, Americans would just as soon not be the
> world's policeman, but no other entity seems to have the dedication
> necessary to ensure tyrants, like the German State of the past, are
> kept from killing millions of people. 

The case of Germany is something completely different from Iraq one year
ago. Or where did that country actually attack another one, or even was a
threat any more? Gulf War I may have been acceptable, but attacking (a
thogoughly weakened) Iraq at present is just like throwing a fuse into the
dynamite storage that the Middle East currently is.
And again, Nazi Germany was defeated long ago. Using it as an example to
justify making politics in modern days is, well, just not adequate.

>> And that is my point of view - and calling people "holocaust 
>>deniers" (which is a synonym for nazi, I'd guess) for having another 
>>opinion than you do is not of more quality than executing the so-called 
>>communists for not supporting the nazi regime.
> I asked a question, you misinterpreted it as an accusation, the
> problem therefore is yours.

Well, but this question was an accusation and an insult itself. Or do you
want to tell me that you just wanted to know, and would have expected me
to even answer honestly? Pah.
And please do not forget your "You are full of shit" - have I used any
sentence like this one in my post? More likely, you seem to be the aggressor
in here.

>>You might be from the other side of the lake, but your position does not 
>>very much differ from the Reich's one in this point, it's just you do not 
>>have as much power. Hereby returning your compliment...
> Ah, so now I'm a Nazi?  Nice try, bozo, but I'm very much for free
> speech and the free expression of one's own opinion, and that includes
> the ability of anyone to disagree with anyone else about anything they
> want to.  

I did not call you a nazi, I told you that the way of discussion you
showed was not very much different from the way a nazi would do it.
Remember, you insulted me first - or is "you are full of shit" and
"holocaust denier" not an insult? By your third post you have at least
showed that you are able to use arguments and not such loaded language,
but before this was simply not the case. IOW, you seemed like kind of a
funny troll to me... I could even just have responded with "You lost, man
Godwin's law", but giving you a chance seems to have been a good choice.

Anyways, I do not have a problem with you disagreeing, but I for sure 
do have a problem with you if you insult me for disagreeing with you.

> Your problem appears to be the lack of ability to accept
> such opposition as legitimate.  Not unlike those who say opposing
> someone's opinion is tantamount to stifling their free speech - it's
> completely fallacious.

I do not lack the ability to accept opposition, no, opposition is
something nessecary, you can see in history what a lack of opposition
does lead to. But I completely lack the ability to take such "opposition"
as your first post was seriously.

But I guess this discussion will not lead to any end ever. All the
arguments for one side or the other one have been told in some hundred 
thousands of discussions over and over again, and I have never seen one
side to give in to the arguments of the other one, the case is just too
sensitive for doing so. So, let's settle this OT discussion for now, I
will accept that you consider the way America does it right, and you do
accept that I hold the Middle East to be a lot more fragile that your
foreign "politics" could handle. OK?

/n

PS: I tried to keep calm now, so if the language I use seems loaded, I
just lack the ability to express myself properly :)

Related ASCII art in the Gallery

Explore these categories from our collection of 11,000+ artworks:

 __
 \  \     _ _
  \**\ ___\/ \
X*#####*+^^\_\
  o/\  \
     \__\

.------------.
|\\//\\//\\//|
|//\\//\\//\\|
|\\//\\//\\//|
|//\\//\\//\\|
'------------'

   _______
 /` _____ `\;,
/__(^===^)__\';,
  /  :::  \   ,;
 |   :::   | ,;'
 '._______.'`jgs

 _  _
(o)(o)--.
 \../ (  )hjw
 m\/m--m'`--.

  _  _
/` \/ `\_  _
\     /` \/ `\
 '.  .\      /
   \/  '.  .'
         \/jgs

 __ .  . __
(o.\ \/ /.o)
 \__\/\/__/
 /O /==\ O\
(;O/ \/ \O;)

Make your own ASCII art

Turn images, text or 3D into ASCII, or draw your own – right in your browser.