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Original Usenet message from alt.ascii-art, 6 Dec 2001.
Re: JavE3.0: beta testers wanted

Re: JavE3.0: beta testers wanted

> I have finished the beta version of JavE3.0

I noticed :)

> In case there are no severe problems I will try to release the official
> JavE3.0 this weekend.

I have found no severe problem .. but as usual have a lot of suggestions.
Having tried the program just 20 minutes ..

I was thinking it should have a better import of bitmaps.
http://openil.sourceforge.net/ is a Opensource imagelibrary - although it is not
made with java in mind I think it could be something to base javacode of .. It
helps to watch it implemented.

Feltpen : I know exactly what you mean with feltpen .. but I'm not sure that
feltpen is an acurate english word .. works fine in danish though.
Watching the feltpen algorithm in the image2ascii dialog I felt there was a need
for more shades .. specially something inbween the MMM and the 888 shade .. the
gap in shade seems rather large.

Perhaps with dithering ?

OBascii : Just did some work with the image 2 ascii convertor .. this is the
Thick/thin - B/W algorithm :

                      ___,ooooooooooooooo.___
                __oo88888888888888888888888888ooo.
            ,oo888888888888888888888888888888888888oL____
         _o888888888888888888888888888888888888888888P'__ '_
       o888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888[   ,.`b.
     o8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888PYP8L -=',d88.
   ,888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888b._ ' ===P''
  d8888888PPPP8888888888888888888888888888888, YY8888oooooooP'
 d88888P'      'Y8888888888888888888888888PY88bo_'`P88888PP'
 888PP'          Y8P'  `88''''''''''''`88P  Y888'    '''
 88P ,oo.        d8b   ,88             ]88   Y8[
 88. P'`8L        db   `8P              88   `8b
 Y8b ` ,d8b       8P    YP              ]8    `"
  `P8od88P' oooooo88oooo88ooooooooooooooo8ooood8ooooooooooooo.
      `''
     oo8888oo                      _oo8888o.      ,ooooooodbo.
   ,888'''`Y88.                   d88P'''"888.    ]88P"""""""'
   ]88b     ""'     oo    ,oo     Y88L    `""     ]88[
    Y8888ooo.       88[   ]88      Y888boo._      ]888oooooop
      ''"YP888L     88[   ]88        '`"YP888.    ]88P""""""'
   ooo      888     88[   d88     ooL      88b    ]88[
   `88b.___o88P     88b__,888     Y88o.__,d88P    ]88booooooo
    `YPP88PPP'      `YPPPP"PP      `YPYPPPP''     `PPPPPPPPPP'

I noticed that jave crops off the blank colums to the right .. but scales the
watermark to the result .. so in order for the watermark to match I had to make
the watermark wider to fit the chars.

Back to feltpen .. I also think the way to select the "shade" and the size
should both be a slidebar instead of a dropbox .. and 4 chars is to low a max
for the pen .. make it 20, 30 or 40  something like that
Also display the resulting "brush" below in the selection box - like a preview.

I imagined something like this :
 .----------------------------------.
 | Style:                                 |
 |        /    .:'   XX    dP       |
 |       /    .:'   XX    dP        |
 |     line  dot  char  feltpen     |
 |     (_)   (_)   (_)   (X)        |
 |                                  |
 | Shade:                           |
 | MMM 888 $$$ %%% !!! ::: ...      |
 | MMM 888 $$$ %%% !!! ::: ...      |
 | |----------------------H-------| |
 |                                  |
 | Size:[12]+/- chars               |
 | |-----------H------------------| |
 |           __________             |
 | Preview: |          |            |
 |          |          |            |
 |          |          |            |
 |          |          |            |
 |          |__________|            |
 '----------------------------------'

Checkboxes to select the style .. this type is faster to select than dropdown
boxes and gives you a quick overview of the style too.
Try to implement this type of "preview" in other gui objects as well.

The shade can be set not only to the differnt shades but also between them and
to blank.
In between them means that dithering should be used .. maybe even several
dithering steps could be used .. f.x 2 parts 8 and one part $.


Size can be set both with a slidebar and also with a textfield with a plus and a
minus button next to it for finetuning.

Consider also that dot is very much like feltpen with the shade :::


other stuff I also noticed.
Text/selection works great .. except when you sometimes click a area with
selection on and it tries to select the outline of what you clicked instead of
switching to the text tool.
It doesn't happen that often though.
Consider making the 2 tools 1 .. with the same icon too.

The "brush" tool looks very much like the feltpen , maybe the feature of
defining your own brush should be added to the tools that use the feltpen too ..
The preview field could change to be editable.
The brush tools would then be remove from the toolbar as a seperate item.

I would like the auxilery lines to be a separate toggle and not built into the
watermark .. sort of like two differnt watermarks , this way you could adjust
the auxlines against the watermark and then draw the text on that later .. maybe
even with togglebutton that toggles the display of text.
I would like the opertunity to drag and move auxilary points i have already set
and have the lines adjust acordingly.
A wizard to quickly let you choose between some common vanishing points and
"scenes" (made with auxilary lines)

Also delete in overwrite mode moves one step forward .. only space should do
that

And btw .. I too think there should a color option in JavE .. for ANSI and HTML
coloring .. maybe even for ZZT screens ( http://zzt.org/ )
the ZZT lovers would also love to be able to draw in the standard DOS font.

Figlet font export assistent is broken
so is fractals

and another idea for export :

Export to .bat file

echo "ascii-art goes\n
here\n
and here"

that sort of thing.
You could make your own text-art bootlogo for most OS's including DOS , Windows
(the ones with DOS) and your favorite Unix platform

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