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Veronica Karlsson <aci...@earthling.net> wrote in message
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> The first paragraph of the letter was four lines. The first paragraph
of
> the post was one line. *shrug*
>
> I still haven't read it. I'll do that now. :-)
>
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> For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g.
> Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice.
"Qurblx, her brainpan nodule
does not seem to contain the
simple information about what
ASCII stands for."
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> Most Swedish computer users have Swedish keyboards. And I would expect
> most Finnish computer users to have Finnish keyboards, and most
Spanish
> computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger
> than just northern America.
"Yes, I suppose there is more than
just North America..."
/ "But since more computers are there, than
/ everywhere else in the world, and since
/ most ALL of them use ASCII, instead of
\__/ SSCII, I think foreign language keyboards
(__) can be foregone, unless users of them
(\//()\\ specifically request assistance."
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"You know, it is just simple
fact that most computers "speak"
English. Air traffic controllers
do, too. Most people who speak
the wide variety of other languages
adapt to this fact, quite well...
Even if they are "New" (to ascii)."
/
/ "True."
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> Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it
> based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and
> "99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it)
"So what?"
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> [This is where I stopped reading. I've seen your multi-page rants
before
> and know what they look like...]
"Multi-page rants" She
writes English quite
well, doesn't she?"
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> And the thing they should "be confronted with" is this:
>
> =================================================================
> | |
> | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' |
> | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / |
> | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 |
> | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? |
> | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G |
> | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O |
> | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W |
> | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ |
> | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g |
> |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o |
> |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w |
> |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | |
> | |
> | No, no, no, MUST'NT use ones that are not on the chart! |
> | |
> =================================================================
>
> That's not particularly "techy". It's just a simple list. If you don't
> like that the characters are numbered, just shorten it down to
something
> like this:
>
> ==================================
> ASCII character chart for dummies:
> ==================================
> |This chart should be symmetrical!
> | If it isn't, change your font | "Have you seen this thing
before,
> |til the i's and the m's line up.| Zmpfltz? It's the best one I've
seen."
> | | /
> |iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii|_/
> |mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm|o)
> | (\//
> | SP ! " # $ % & ' \/
> | ( ) * + , - . / |
> | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 |
> | 8 9 : ; < = > ? |
> | @ A B C D E F G |
> | H I J K L M N O |
> | P Q R S T U V W |
> | X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ |
> | ` a b c d e f g | "I quite agree, except for
> | h i j k l m n o | the "threat" at the bottom."
> | p q r s t u v w | /
> | x y z { | } ~ | \_/
> | | (o_)
> | SP stands for Space bar | /\\)
> | | \//
> | No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use | (/|
> | ones that are not on the chart!///||
> ================================\(_)_)
> kick!
> But... look! llizard already did that bit of the job for you! All you
> need to do is a quick copy-paste of one of the tables above. Very
techy
> - not!
>
>
>
> IMO a plain list of the "good" characters is quite simple.
>
"`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui
op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH
JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...."
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> That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since
the
> subject is quite simple anyway. You don't need any simplification. You
> accused the FAQ of "looking down on" people. Well, you treat people as
> if they're not intelligent enough to read a simple list...
"No, the Boss treats people
as if they are intelligent
enough to wish for the
simplest, most entertaining
answers he can give them,
realizing that both children
and grown-ups are bored by
unnecessary, intensive study
of something that is supposed
to be a fun hobby."
/ "Yes! AND he doesn't even look down on YOU!"
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> I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a
little
> "techy", to be *entertaining*.
"Snrkk...No surprise, there. Veronica thinks it's a blast,
to read source code on web pages, and write total strangers
about the mistakes on their personal home pages. For most
Earthlings, such a diversion is just not what they
would call "a good time"."
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> Good! (I just wonder one thing: How many of the people who read them
go
> on to post pictures containing � or � or � and then get flamed for
it?)
"If some do, so what? "Yes, they may get a nice repost or email
an easily correctable from the Boss (or somebody) recommending
mistake." that they avoid the use of extended
characters.
\ there is NO REASON to flame someone, for
that."
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> How can they be "better" if they give out incorrect information
(you're
> basically telling me, or any other Swede, to use characters like �, �
> and � in my pictures)?
>
>
> And? I communicate in email with people you know. People communicate
> with each other. That's part of this whole newsgroup thing... *shrug*
>
>
> I don't see how ascii art is any less "real" than any other art. The
> fact that somebody earns money making pictures is no guarantee that he
> is any better at making pictures than somebody else, who doesn't sell
> his pictures for money.
"No, but when professionals seem to find
little use for your methods of "helping"
them, but seem to prefer the Boss's, it
is an indication that perhaps you should
consider adopting better methods."
\ "Indeed."
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> I haven't counted (I've been too busy making pictures of my own).
"That is a strange remark, coming
from someone who primarily posts
acidic "advice", "argumentative
critiques", and "flames" to
this little newsgroup." "You should post ascii, instead! The
/ Boss will even send you his tutorials,
/ to help get you started!"
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> The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago,
back
> when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest
groups
> out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to
be
> some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I
mean,
> it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to
> have made a career out of it...
"Oh my, Qurblx. She is sickened,
every time someone reposts
approbation's to someone else's "I know, Zmpfltz. Green is the
correct
nice, little computer text color for us Martians, but it denotes
art picture, and puerile towards jealousy, when it tinges these poor
the readers who show their Humano-Sub-Creatures. We have seen this
appreciation to them." reaction from Veronica, before. She is
/ jealous towards everyone who ever made
/ something SHE didn't... Pathetic."
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> Which is fine - until you start throwing out bad advice and causing
> people to develop bad habits. Once you figure out that � makes very
nice
> hair, it's hard to stop using it...
"Qurblx! We have located her
ACTUAL problem! She's having
a BAD HAIR DAY!" "You are a genius, Zmpfltz! That
/ is easily rectified, if she will
/ acquire a toaster oven!"
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> I WISH somebody had shown me to the HTML FAQ *before* I made a
complete
> mess of my homepage! It took me a YEAR to un-learn and learn better
ways
> to do things. That's *many* hours' work down the drain. HTML is so
> simple, yet when you start making tables of everything, and splitting
up
> images, and counting pixels, and setting fonts, and then watch the
whole
> thing fall apart... *sigh*
>
> I wouldn't consider it "a rude slap in the face". I *really* don't see
> where that opinion comes from.
"This is NOT an html tutorial, "And that "opinion" is derrived from
and that subject is extraneous many emails, which say the faqs
to this post." were of no real help. And from the
\ observation of how they are thrown at
\ newcomers (to ascii), who don't come
back."
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> It's not supposed to "interest or promote" anything. It's supposed to
> give the reader some reliable information. The *pictures* people make
> are what's supposed to do the "promoting". I don't see why turning the
> FAQ into a series of *cartoons* would automatically make it better.
"This part is no good. Considering
most of her posts are flames, she
CERTAINLY isn't out to promote
anything! She thinks Terro-Beings
should just look at her very "This part down here,
occasional "arts", and ignore her is no good, either.
rude replies, but be "inspired". She has finally
And I think pretty much everyone discovered the Boss
would agree that her post now wrote some tutorials,
looks a LOT better with US all instead of a FACK. And
over it." apparently, she just
\ read his post to flame it.
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> Also, there's a difference be ween a FAQ and a tutorial. What you have
> written are tutorials. Lots of people have written tutorials that
> reflect their style and their techniques. That's fine. For some
newbies
> that may be a good way to get started. I personally give that kind of
> documents a quick look-over, usually followed by a big *yawn*. I
started
> to read your tutorial out of curiosity (knowing your attitude and
> opinion about FAQs...) and it was no exception. The FAQ? I read it
from
> start to finish and didn't find "ASCII art is compact, a few K, not
20,
> 50, 100 or more K!" half as boring as "Now, let's put the two separate
> lines together, like this....".
>
>
> And also explanations. The FAQ doesn't just say "do this!". It also
> makes an effort to explain *why* you should do things a certain way.
In
> the end nobody can stop you from making as big a fool of yourself as
you
> want.
"No, that FACK thing tells
people "Don't Do This!"...
"Don't Do That!"... "We Don't
Have Time For You!"
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> And?
>
>
> That's what tutorials are for.
>
>
> Again: it's not *meant* to be entertaining, any more than a bus time
> table is meant to be entertaining. When I read a time table I want
> correct information. If the time table fails to mention that on
> Christmas Eve buses go after the Saturday table then there's more than
> just a slight chance that some people, going by the Friday table, will
> miss the buss on Christmas Eve. Fortunately for me, the time table for
> the buses in �rebro L�n did have complete and accurate information.
Once
> I got on the bus I opened the Dilbert magazine I had brought with me,
> because that was an appropriate time for some entertainment.
"She is sure mad about "Yes, and no wonder she never entertains
having to ride the bus." anyone. She inferrs ascii art time is not
\ the appropriate time for entertainment."
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> As a regular of alt.ascii-art I think it would be bad if you were to
> promote "just use the letters and symbols on your keyboard" to the
> newbies. As for you: stop taking every hint of criticism so bloody
> personally. It is a fact that the method you advice people to use is
> flawed. Badly flawed! It would be wrong of me *not* to criticise you
for
> it.
"The Boss's methods work. Yours don't.
The only wrong thing you have done, is
open his post and reply. Next time,
don't. He don't read yours."
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> I didn't say "they". When I wrote my comment you had only posted one.
I
> commented on *one* point in that FAQ. I do not suffer from a lack of
> understanding of what it means to give newbies the advice to go
hunting
> randomly on their keyboard. Many Swedish keyboards (but not the type I
> use here at school) contain this character � . It is easier to find
> this particular character on the keyboard than it is to find the
similar
> ASCII character ' . You have seen the result here in this
newsgroup. I
> have seen you comment on exactly this kind of situation, at least
twice
> in the last couple of days.
"An Earth-Being would "Yes, but when the Boss tells people
read most of this as about that, he's nice. You flame.
"blah, blah, blah." That is completely different. You
\ insult people, he assists them."
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> Ascii art is "technically" quite simple. Yet people still post
pictures
> made in Arial, pictures containing tabs, pictures containing other no-
no
> characters, pictures that are wrapped (Hey! The text part of your
> tutorial was badly wrapped at the sending end!). Looking up a
character
> in one of the tables furhter up in this post is not complicated.
> Explaining why using � to somebody who has this character *on his
> keyboard* (remember, that is what you advice!) is a bad idea is a bit
> more complicated, and it wastes everybody's time when it is done in
the
> newsgroup, over and over and over again.
"Yes, and maybe she should consider
getting a real newsreader, that
will
read wider posts. But she can't.
She
"More blah, blah, blah..." has to borrow a computer. Poor
thing."
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> See my reply to your other version of this rant.
"Why bother?"
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> YM "get somebody to applaud you in public".
"She seems to think insulting "Yes, not to mention insulting
people in public is the way the "public", itself."
to go." /
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> Go spend some time at Deja! I have criticised this exact same "advice"
> before, when it was suggested by other people. Again, you are taking
> things way too personally. Here's some advice to you: Grow a thicker
> skin or quit reading/posting to newsgroups.
>
>
> I correct you because what you say is wrong. That's what happens in
> newsgroups. Live with it!
"I think it is obvious that Frau Veronica
"corrects" people, because it is the only "That, and she is just
enjoyment she gets from this newsgroup." plain rancid."
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> It is not an "opinion" that my Swedish keyboard contains the
characters
> �����. It is a *fact*. There is nothing "incorrect" about this fact
> either. The button in the top left corner of my keyboard has as "small
> letter" the character � and as "big letter" the character �. When I
> press that button I get the character �. When I press Shift and that
> button I get the character �. Everything works as it should. The only
> thing _incorrect_ here is your opinion that this _fact_ is
an "incorrect
> opinion" of mine.
"Once again, she brings up
her non-standard keyboard.
She thinks the whole world "She is wrong-headed, is all.
should conform to it..." Let it go, at that..."
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> A threat? WOW! I am sooooooooo
scared! :D:D:D::D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D
"So I see. He has frightened this poor
Swedish-Terro-Creature into making
repeated
"The Boss has been a vomiting-in-fear symbols. He should
real sonofabitch, again." not frighten such a timid creature
\ as this, anymore. One is even 4-
eyed!"
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> What "Pete" would this be? Surely not the one and only person I ever
> plonked? *lol*
>
>
> Sure, I'm a troll sometimes, but not in this group.
>
> It is not my habit to "run new readers/posters off groups". Also, I
> don't see on what you base your accusation that I am "working to make
> this group smaller". Please explain.
"A typical newsgroup troll remark, "Quite... And although SHE says
but accompanied by a confession it's not her habit to run new
of what she truly is." readers/posters off the newsgroup
/ that is exactly what she does, and
\__/ it has been explained to her,
before.
(oo) Denying everything is the common
(\//~~\\ tactic of these creatures."
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> / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/
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> .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\'
> ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \
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> ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `,
> - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -
' -
"Now we see another "Yes, she is obviously out of
deep problem she is touch with the newsgroup...
stricken with." Time for our final report, Zmpfltz."
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> P.S.: You know none of this is personal, don't you? It's just what
> happens, on a newsgroup. This doesn't change the fact that I
> simply MUST HAVE YOU! Please come to Sweden, as soon as you
> can. My lust for you is unbounded.
"Wait! There is a "I know - there always is...
Post Script..." I just can't look. Why can't
\ they EVER stop pleading to
\ him about such things?"
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Final report of transmission made by the Humano-Newsgroup-Troll,
lesserly known as "Veronica". Compiled - under duress - by Zmpfltz
and Qurblx of the Martian Terro-Research-Division, Planet Mars,
System Sol, Galaxy Mikly Way, This Universe.
Greetings, Humano-Terro-Boss! Here is what we have found in this
confused transmission:
1. Change the AMERICAN STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE to
the SWEDISH STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE. You will
then have to make the necessary adjustments, yourself, or
call on Swedish keyboard users to assist you.
2. Veronica is very angry over having to ride the bus. We can't
blame her. We suggest that taking up contributions to get her
a car, might help.
3. She is jealous about everything; this has been noted, many times
in the past by her flaming anyone who becomes popular in the ascii
art world, but doesn't apply the necessary suction to her posterior
parts in each and every post they make, which she apparently
desires.
5. She can't read English, but she can write it.
6. She seems to be having a "bad hair day". Perhaps the fur on her
scalp has reversed growth direction, and penetrated her brainpan
nodule, generating increasingly erratic and hostile behavior. We
suggest presenting her with a Terro-device known as a "toaster
oven",
which should solve this problem.
7. Past experience has provided the information that Veronica is
stricken
with TMS (terminal menstrual syndrome). Nothing has occurred to have
changed this diagnosis.
8. She is a troll. Newsgroup trolls deny everything, harass newcomers,
drive posters and readers from a newsgroup, attempt to embarrass
regular
posters, and generally try to dominate a newsgroup and become the
center
of attention through their bad behavior. If you are not prepared to
change to SSCII, provide her with transportation, credit her on every
post, read English to her, get her a toaster oven, and send her to a
psycho-gynecologist, then cease replying to her.
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Jonathon R. Oglesbee
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mail.fullnet.net
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