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Original Usenet message from alt.ascii-art, 9 Aug 1994.
Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRU

Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRUSES?)

>Pardon this most boorish of swine, but I have a few oinks I'd like to share.
>If this Jackson Pollock fellow didn't toss it through a turbine and did 
>indeed paint this work by hand, then he's more of a parasite than I thought, 
>attempting to validate his claim to art through "great effort, and great
>intent". And as long as we're talking about math, realism, ascii, and
>parasites, if you do not believe that he intended to "fleece the public
>out of money" then you must at least believe that he hoped to get something
>for his "great efforts".

No, I do not.  And if you had learned anything at all about the life of
any of the artists that you're talking about, you'd find that your informedness
would lead to more useful conversation.  Making generalizations about artists
that you don't UNDERSTAND doesn't prove that you're intelligent, or witty,
or sarcastic.  It just proves that you (as can most people) can blather on
about things that you know nothing about.

Take 5 or so fine art classes, if you don't want to pay too much, 
take them at your local community college.  Learn a teeny tiny bit 
about what the fuck you're talking about.

Jackson Pollock was able to sell his art.  He got lucky.  Very lucky.  Van
Gogh couldn't sell 2 god damn paintings his whole life.  Van Gogh was an
incredible artist.  He was ahead of his time and died poor and insane because
of it.  Don't scoff at what you cannot yet understand.

>No, the slightest education with regard to art has shown me that people
>can come up with the most nauseating, distastful, putrid excrescence and
>call it art. 

What emotions do you expect to feel when you look at art?  The beauty of
photographic reproduction?  Go look in a photographic art museum.  You 
won't even find what you're looking for there.

Art is much more complicated than you have given it credit.  It is about
emotional response, whether beauty, ugliness, etc.  It is about creation,
it is about emphasis.

Exercise for the day:

Pick up a box of crayons.  Try drawing something that you can see.  Feel
frustrated?  There's a lot more to what you see than what you know.


Engineering degrees should be handed out in vocational schools, 
not universities.  It's a shame that engineers can get degrees from
the same institutions that sponsor fine art.

steve

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Subject: Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF  VIRUSES?)
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