Re: Art, math, realism, ascii (Re: PARASITES INSIDE OF VIRUSES?)

Oooo, a little tender to the touch, eh? :)

In article <328cv9$bc...@ame2.math.arizona.edu> uur...@math.arizona.edu (Steve Uurtamo) writes:
>>Pardon this most boorish of swine, but I have a few oinks I'd like to share.
>
>No, I do not.  And if you had learned anything at all about the life of
>any of the artists that you're talking about, you'd find that your informedness
>would lead to more useful conversation.  Making generalizations about artists
>that you don't UNDERSTAND doesn't prove that you're intelligent, or witty,
>or sarcastic.  It just proves that you (as can most people) can blather on
>about things that you know nothing about.

Yep, and I shall blather on...

>Take 5 or so fine art classes, if you don't want to pay too much, 
>take them at your local community college.  Learn a teeny tiny bit 
>about what the fuck you're talking about.

I have taken several, and there's no need to resort to verbal abuse.
This thread has meandered along here for a week or two and I THOUGHT
I might get a little intelligent discussion out of it. I learn something
new every day...

>Jackson Pollock was able to sell his art.  He got lucky.  Very lucky.  Van
>Gogh couldn't sell 2 god damn paintings his whole life.  Van Gogh was an
>incredible artist.  He was ahead of his time and died poor and insane because
>of it.  Don't scoff at what you cannot yet understand.

Van Gogh was an incredible artist. I don't particularly like his
style, but our society has labeled it as incredible and I can't argue
with the values of the society that I am a part of. Are you putting 
this fellow Pollack in the same class as Van Gogh?

>>No, the slightest education with regard to art has shown me that people
>>can come up with the most nauseating, distastful, putrid excrescence and
>>call it art. 
>
>What emotions do you expect to feel when you look at art?  The beauty of
>photographic reproduction?  Go look in a photographic art museum.  You 
>won't even find what you're looking for there.

Um, photographic reproduction of what? I missed your reference, there.

>Art is much more complicated than you have given it credit.  It is about
>emotional response, whether beauty, ugliness, etc.  It is about creation,
>it is about emphasis.

You are correct. Much more complicated. Unfortunately, there seems to be
a fine line between creation merely for money and creation for expression.
It is that complexity that I abhor.

>Exercise for the day:
>
>Pick up a box of crayons.  Try drawing something that you can see.  Feel
>frustrated?  There's a lot more to what you see than what you know.

Hey, now, I can't paint for a worn shilling, but I'm ok with a pencil and
downright good with a crayon! :)

>Engineering degrees should be handed out in vocational schools, 
>not universities.  It's a shame that engineers can get degrees from
>the same institutions that sponsor fine art.

This I must disagree with. I believe that a well-rounded individual should
have a good grounding in the liberal arts as well as technical vocations.
This is especially true for engineers. There should be as much art as 
functionality in the things that engineers create. 

>steve

Toney A. Cassel - ton...@acad.stedwards.edu
Art is "I"; science is "we". - Claude Bernard

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