Re: ASCII swastika, ascii swastikas
From Arlo James Barnes <arl...@gmail.com>
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· 9 Apr 2012 08:28 · View full thread
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This thread is rather amusing. It is almost a Godwin troll, only instead of using the heinous acts committed during the circa WWII Holocaust to falsely bolster an argument, the people involved are arguing over the origin of logos within the government administrating such atrocities. I fail to see how it matters.
As to the salute, the US helped inspire many things most people would not now (perhaps carelessly in that regard) attribute to them, such as eugenics, but I do not know if this is one of them. I suspect they both stem from generic gestures of nationalism.
Hitler hated communists; how much you equate communism with socialism is dependent on who is using it in what context at what point in history, and also on semantics ("is 'social' the same as 'socialist'?" for instance), but the fact remains that in propaganda and in reality, communists were one of the major groups oppressed by the policies and actions associated with the events leading up to and embodying the Holocaust, along with Jews, Roma/Gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically disabled people, certain intellectuals, and really anyone who was a bit different.
Also, the word holocaust can be used for several genocides across history (to take a random one, the Armenian holocaust by the Turks) but they are not necessarily aligned with the goals of the (apropos to this discussion, capitalized) Holocaust, and certainly were not coordinated. They were all done for reasons pertaining to the oppressor's situation at the time.
A similar caveat applies to 'anti-semitic'. Firstly, the term 'Semite' pertains to a variety of Arabic peoples in the region of the Eastern Mediterranean, but is mostly used to refer to the Jewish portion of these peoples. This is why we can have anti-semitic members of the Saudi family, for instance. But they are not anti-semitic in the same way Hitler was - their hatred is derived from tribal disputes over land stretching back milennia, and rekindled with politics between Israel and neighboring states more recently. Interestingly, some of them are Holocaust deniers.
But now this is completely unrelated to ASCII art. I shall thus refrain from further putting pairs of cents into this crazy slot machine of debate.
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