Re: Patches...

Oh, a lovely little essay!

patches wrote:
> 
> Maybe you should ask your local library to pick up a copy of the book,
> or head on down to the bookstore and check out the book itself...

Maybe I will, but that has nothing to do with the rest of this
discussion.

<snip>
> again?  Did you ask the original playing card artist if you could
> redesign his/her card?

It's a bit hard to talk to somebody who has probably been dead for a few
hundred years, so obviously I have not.

> You are making some kind of assumption that she got the pictures from
> me, and I never once sent Brenda Danet any pictures of any kind. 

It's not an assumption. She says so on her site.

<snip>
> and what you put on a website for someone to look at, copy and
> use, is to my knowledge still game for the taking....
<snip>
> If you put it on your site, its there for people
> to do what they wish with,<snip>

Um, no.

> Brenda also has a cd image of my website, which I never sent or gave
<snip>
> downloading my site... oh no, invasion of the html.... hahaa... NOT!!!

Is she printing it and *selling* it?

> Neither here nor there, the only part I personally had in helping
> Brenda with her book was with trying to distinguish who colored what
> for mIRC art, and in no way, shape or form did I ever give her
> permission to use ASCII colored art work. 

Quote from her site:

"These graphics are reproduced here with the permission of <patches>,
leader of rainbow on the Undernet and Webmistress of its Website, on
behalf of the artists."

<snip>
> It is my impression from Brendas emails in the last day or so, that we
> have a misunderstanding at some point, <snip>

Yes, there was one misunderstanding between her and me. That has been
sorted out.

> The way I see all this hoopla, is that while you have a point on
> permissions and original art permission should be given

"should"? That's your opinion. My opinion happens to be different. Live
with it.

> , your
> forgetting that this book would increase the recognition that ASCII
> art deserves and the artists who today still create and continue to
> support it's use.

I didn't know ascii art "deserved" anything. If you mean "it would be
more PR for ascii art", well, sure, but my choice is still not to be
part of that PR.

> The book does that very well, and it will increase the support and

"will"? You're a psychic now too?

<snip>
> Tell me, Veronica, just where did you get the idea of the playing
> card? 

I got the idea for that picture from a person named Ebrahim Ismail:

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=5otbc1%24n64%40groa.uct.ac.za&output=gplain

> <snip> does that make it yours, or the person who originally drew
> the design that is featured on the card. 

Both. His picture (whoever he was) is his, and mine is mine.

> Before you make accusations which I personally
> know you are all to famous for,

"famous"? Um, I doubt my criticising you in the past has made me
"famous" (except in your mind).

<snip>
> community, and you go after them like a raging bull.

You're the one who writes looooooooong angry essays and *I'm* the
"raging bull"? Right!

> She has removed the picture and the html page it sat on, replacing it
<snip>
> place trying to remove it.

Like I said above, that misunderstanding has been sorted out.

> and for your information, most of the art featured in the book, is by
> Joan Stark,<snip> Allen Mullen <snip>
> there work to help in the writing of the book.

That is their choice. My choice is not the same as their choice.

<snip>
> makes it very dificult if she will not have the support of the
> ASCII community to promote the recognition <snip>

I don't see how she has lost "the support of the ASCII community".
AFAIK, she never had such support, or she had it from somebody else. The
only support she has "lost" is mine, but then she never *had* my
support.


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