Re: ASCII Art Fart for Thu, 2004 Nov 25

Sharky wrote:
> In <41a...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, ABCGi wrote:
> 
>>>>The facts are that all the unjustified homicides committed in the USA are
>>>>committed in violation of some law. More importantly, the vast 
>>>>majority of
>>>>these unjustified homicides are committed by people who are in possession
>>>>of arms that have been attained illegally and committed against unarmed,
>>>>law abiding citizens. You can compare the "murder" rate in the USA with
>>>>places that doctor their statistics all you want, the meat is in the
>>>>overall death rate of a country's citizens - you might want to dig a 
>>>>little
>>>>deeper on that topic.
>>>
>>>Sharky I doubt this is true, do you have some stats? Death by guns in 
>>>the USA by *far* outstrips any other country any way you slice it - was 
>>>my impression of the stats.
>>
>>Oh I c, you are using the term "unjustified homicides" - which means 
>>self-defence doesn't count.
> 
> Self defense does indeed "count", at least as far as this classic liberal
> is concerned. My belief is that all people are endowed with the freedom to
> defend their very life from any and all assailants.

I mean "self-defence" doesn't count toward the unjustified homicides stat.

>>Still, the proliferation of guns in the US and the attitude toward them 
>>can hardly be said to make the US a safer place to live given to the 
>>enormous number of gun deaths?
> 
> As off'd in a previous post, you really have to delve a bit deeper to
> understand the problems attributed to "guns".  The right to arm oneself
> against unjust aggression has been one of the cornerstones of Democratic
> Governments from the time of first world prominence of its politic.
> Blaming the deaths of people on the (otherwise inanimate object) "gun" is
> kinda silly, IMHO.

Indeed it is the culture behind the proliferation of guns that has led 
to the situation. M.Moore offers up two possible cultural causes in 
Bowling for Columbine that are sufficiently different in the US to other 
countries that have lots of guns (eg Canada): the culture of fear, the 
violent example set by the government where the justification remains in 
the hands of the one delivering the violence.

> ObAscii - Say hola to my leetle friend, muchacho.
> 
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Looks like a little daemon in the barrel.

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